Topic: the great subscribestar furry purge

so apparently subscribestar changed their rules ( https://subscribestar.adult/prohibited_content ) and nuked the vast majority of furry content to the point they are even more strict than patreon now. welp. where are the furry artists gonna go now?

Current (2026-03-11): https://web.archive.org/web/20260311122402/https://subscribestar.adult/prohibited_content
Previous (2026-03-10): https://web.archive.org/web/20260311045128/https://subscribestar.adult/prohibited_content

So cubs, underage "looking" characters, "canonically" underage chararacters (regardless of apperance), ferals, fictional bestiality (including anthro on human), fictional incest, drug use, intoxication, hypnosis, mind control, degradation, scat, watersports, "extreme bodily fluids", and more have been banned

And while not explicitly listed this all reads to me like fetishized diaper use, dubcon, bdsm, and a few more things will get swept up in this
According to the replies below "human-like knee orientation" may prohibit digitigrade legs, which would essentially prohibit a large majority of furry characters

None of the artists I'm subscribed to have been nuked yet but I will definitely be downloading every post the second they post anything in the future

Seems like the days of subscribestar for furry artists will be dead very soon

Banning furries if they are digitigragrade is fucking wild.
Edit: oh, and Extreme bodiliy fluids. So if the character is depicted jizzing too much? That's a banning!

donovan_dmc said:

• Sexualized depictions of characters from films, games, anime, comics, or other media that are canonically underaged, even if such characters are aged-up by a textual 18+ statement, modified, or reinterpreted.

schiße, aged up characters, even. that is just absurd to me.

kaiselius said:
Banning furries if they are digitigragrade is fucking wild.

poor renamon.

dba_afish said:

poor renamon.

Eh, just shave off all her fur, make her a kemonomimi, give her realistic human plantigrade feet and bam, now she's marketable and useable for porn!
It's just that EASY!

gremlinfella said:
Eh, just shave off all her fur, make her a kemonomimi, give her realistic human plantigrade feet and bam, now she's marketable and useable for porn!
It's just that EASY!

Reminds me of the disclaimer on post #4726276 where the artist had to change characters because of patreon's policies
Seems like that's coming to subscribestar

donovan_dmc said:
So cubs, underage "looking" characters, "canonically" underage chararacters (regardless of apperance), ferals, fictional incest, drug use, intoxication, hypnosis, mind control, degradation, scat, watersports, "extreme bodily fluids", and more have been banned

No fun allowed.

The internet is getting smaller and smaller as time goes on. It's sad to see.

That's a big part of why I use this site so much, tbh.

emionix said:
No fun allowed.

The internet is getting smaller and smaller as time goes on. It's sad to see.

That's a big part of why I use this site so much, tbh.

You can say that but we are definitely not immune to outside pressure, we've already had the young human purge

I am very sure we will put up more of a fight if it comes after some of our more bread and butter content, but at this point without significant changes in the world wide political landscape, it's only a matter of time

_{(please don't derail this topic into politics)}

donovan_dmc said:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260311045128/https://subscribestar.adult/prohibited_content

Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM) and Underage Characters

• Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM) in any form
• Any depiction of underage or underage-appearing characters in sexualized circumstances, regardless of artistic style, medium, or whether the content is fictional, illustrated, animated, or digitally rendered
• Sexualized depictions of characters from films, games, anime, comics, or other media that are canonically underaged, even if such characters are aged-up by a textual 18+ statement, modified, or reinterpreted.
• Characters portrayed with body proportions, facial features, clothing, or contextual cues commonly associated with minors

For moderation purposes, visual appearance takes precedence over written disclaimers.

Feral Animal Sexual Content

Content depicting explicit sexual activity involving non-anthropomorphic animals (“feral” characters) is prohibited.

This includes, but is not limited to:

• Realistic or stylized animals engaging in sexual acts presented for erotic purposes
• Explicit animal-animal sexual activity created for sexual stimulation
• Feral or non-humanoid animals depicted in explicit sexual scenarios

Anthropomorphic Characters

Sexual content involving anthropomorphic characters (commonly referred to as “furry” characters) may be permitted only when all of the following conditions are met:

• the characters possess clearly humanoid anatomy (such as arms, human-like knee orientation, and an upright body posture)
• no sexual interaction occurs between humans and animals or animal-derived creatures
• the characters do not appear underaged
• the content does not violate any other section of this policy

Content may be restricted or removed if characters appear predominantly animal-like, feral, or lack clearly humanoid anatomy. In such cases, the content may be evaluated under the Bestiality and Human–Animal Sexual Activity or Feral Animal Sexual Content sections of this policy

Depiction of Prohibited Family Relationships

Content depicting sexual relationships between close family members is prohibited, including parent-child relationships, sibling relationships, grandparent relationships, and other immediate family relationships

These restrictions apply regardless of whether the characters are fictional or animated

Non-Consensual Sexual Activity

Content depicting rape, coercion, or non-consensual sexual acts is prohibited.

This includes situations where consent is removed through force or threats, manipulation or coercion, mind control or hypnosis, drugs, intoxication, or incapacitation

Obscene or Degrading Content

Obscene or degrading content intended primarily to shock, humiliate, degrade, or disgust may be restricted or prohibited.

This includes, but is not limited to, fetishized bodily waste, extreme bodily fluids, explicit degradation imagery, and content intended primarily to cause disgust rather than depict typical adult material.

So cubs, underage "looking" characters, "canonically" underage chararacters (regardless of apperance), ferals, fictional bestiality (including anthro on human), fictional incest, drug use, intoxication, hypnosis, mind control, degradation, scat, watersports, "extreme bodily fluids", and more have been banned

And while not explicitly listed this all reads to me like fetishized diaper use, dubcon, bdsm, and a few more things will get swept up in this

None of the artists I'm subscribed to have been nuked yet but I will definitely be downloading every post the second they post anything in the future

Seems like the days of subscribestar for furry artists will be dead very soon

reading the furry bit it looks like digitigrade is against TOS if im reading it right

Genuinely surprised. SubStar made their name as a refuge for people fleeing or who got kicked off Patreon for being too kinky, then they suddenly updated their TOS to be even more kink-averse than that. I'm really curious what sparked this, and what they expect to happen.

Sexual content involving anthropomorphic characters (commonly referred to as “furry” characters) may be permitted only when all of the following conditions are met:

the characters possess clearly humanoid anatomy (such as arms, human-like knee orientation, and an upright body posture)

I wonder what this means for draconcopodes, merfolk, and other characters who just totally lack knees.

d'you think this a no for all of the, like, Mario species that aren't humanoid too? no boos, no goombas, no Vivian? or do you think they'll get the pass because they're not "furry".

donovan_dmc said:

Sexual content involving anthropomorphic characters (commonly referred to as “furry” characters) may be permitted only when all of the following conditions are met:

• the characters possess clearly humanoid anatomy (such as arms, human-like knee orientation, and an upright body posture)

"human-like knee orientation"? Do... do they not know how animal legs work, and think digitigrade feet are backwards knees?

watsit said:
Genuinely surprised. SubStar made their name as a refuge for people fleeing or who got kicked off Patreon for being too kinky, then they suddenly updated their TOS to be even more kink-averse than that. I'm really curious what sparked this, and what they expect to happen.

I'd bet money on payment processors coming down hard on them

donovan_dmc said:
I'd bet money on payment processors coming down hard on them

Just gonna put this out there, I watched the network requests that went out during a page load on SubscribeStar and it sent a request to Authorize.net, which is a payment processing problem "solution" run directly by Visa.

And just a reminder that these payment processing companies are actively working against us and aren't interested in hearing us out at all, and if we want freedom from this kind of bullshit, we're going to have to fight back in large numbers and very loudly.

watsit said:
Genuinely surprised. SubStar made their name as a refuge for people fleeing or who got kicked off Patreon for being too kinky, then they suddenly updated their TOS to be even more kink-averse than that. I'm really curious what sparked this, and what they expect to happen.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but this pattern seems to be the standard business plan for these websites. It is always a matter of when, not if, non-vanilla content gets booted.

They just backtracked a bit, removing the sections prohibiting all feral and most anthro. Bestiality is still on there though, along with gore, incest, rape, and underage.

watsit said:
Genuinely surprised. SubStar made their name as a refuge for people fleeing or who got kicked off Patreon for being too kinky, then they suddenly updated their TOS to be even more kink-averse than that. I'm really curious what sparked this, and what they expect to happen.

They just announced a partnership with paypal. I'm sure you can do the math.

scth said:
They just backtracked a bit, removing the sections prohibiting all feral and most anthro. Bestiality is still on there though, along with gore, incest, rape, and underage.

well. that was quick

scth said:
They just backtracked a bit, removing the sections prohibiting all feral and most anthro. Bestiality is still on there though

Well that's a victory at least. They probably realized that giving furry artists (and general NSFW artists who also do furry) the boot would be extremely bad for business.

Unfortunately, they haven't specified whether or not "Bestiality and Human–Animal Sexual Activity" includes anthros (it probably does). I'm so fucking tired of idiots treating anthropomorphic characters with the same scrutiny as real animals.

kadachi-kun said:
Well that's a victory at least. They probably realized that giving furry artists (and general NSFW artists who also do furry) the boot would be extremely bad for business.

Huh, that's an interesting take. I kind of assumed that it was a case of anchoring, where they deliberately take the extreme position so that they can cede back some concessions to make people feel like they at least won on some points.

kadachi-kun said:
Well that's a victory at least. They probably realized that giving furry artists (and general NSFW artists who also do furry) the boot would be extremely bad for business.

Unfortunately, they haven't specified whether or not "Bestiality and Human–Animal Sexual Activity" includes anthros (it probably does). I'm so fucking tired of idiots treating anthropomorphic characters with the same scrutiny as real animals.

Not a victory enough till they walk back everything. Every one of these kink-allergic prudes needs to BTFO.

watsit said:
Genuinely surprised. SubStar made their name as a refuge for people fleeing or who got kicked off Patreon for being too kinky, then they suddenly updated their TOS to be even more kink-averse than that. I'm really curious what sparked this, and what they expect to happen.

My guess is that ir's a kneejerk reaction to the age verification cancer that's killing the open internet.

eclipse_lunablade said:
My guess is that ir's a kneejerk reaction to the age verification cancer that's killing the open internet.

I don't see how this would be caused by age verification, especially since they are still undeniably hosting pornographic and adult content

votp said:
They just announced a partnership with paypal. I'm sure you can do the math.

With this I'd put even more stock into the payment processors idea

donovan_dmc said:
I'd bet money on payment processors coming down hard on them

They expressly cite payment processors, acquiring banks, and law in their notice.

kaiselius said:
They expressly cite payment processors, acquiring banks, and law in their notice.

Where's this notice, if I may ask? Because payment processors and acquiring banks, yes, but law absolutely not- they're a US company and all the content they banned is legal here in the US.

donovan_dmc said:
I'd bet money on payment processors coming down hard on them

Or groups lobbying the paymemt processors....

mklxiv said:
Where's this notice, if I may ask? Because payment processors and acquiring banks, yes, but law absolutely not- they're a US company and all the content they banned is legal here in the US.

It's at the top of the page:

To comply with legal requirements, payment processors, and acquiring bank standards, certain types of content are not permitted on the platform.

Note that this page isn't just about fictional media. There are also sections concerning the trade of regulated goods (alcohol, tobacco, drugs, firearms etc.) and illicit services (such as prostitution, forgery, financial fraud...).

kadachi-kun said:
It's at the top of the page:

Note that this page isn't just about fictional media. There are also sections concerning the trade of regulated goods (alcohol, tobacco, drugs, firearms etc.) and illicit services (such as prostitution, forgery, financial fraud...).

This must only be visible if you log in, because I sure as hell can't see it (nor do I want an account).

mklxiv said:
This must only be visible if you log in, because I sure as hell can't see it (nor do I want an account).

I am not logged in and I can see it just fine.

SubscribeStar is a platform designed for digital artists and creators publishing fictional works, including 2D/3D art, animation, comics, and written content.

To comply with legal requirements, payment processors, and acquiring bank standards, certain types of content are not permitted on the platform.

If I remember correctly, SubscribeStar itself was founded after Patreon had purged a lot of podcasters / internet personalities with reasonable fanbases.

The problem is that the crisis this time is about these exotic pornographic topics, so there's less people being affected and probably there will not be yet another platform being created to give sanctuary.
I hope I'm wrong.

I never knew it was founded because of podcasting, only times I ever heard subscribstar brought up was because of the kiddie content, well, least till the other platforms started equating furry content to bestiality.

kaiselius said:
I never knew it was founded because of podcasting

So, the actual facts are:
- SubscribeStar was founded in 2017.
- In 2018 Patreon banned two reasonably popular Conservative commentators (Carl Benjamin AKA "Sargon of Akkad", and Milo Yiannopoulos). Then podcaster Sam Harris (huge account on Patreon) left the platform out of his own accord as a form of protest, and others joined him like Jordan Peterson (also huge) etc.
- Since its founding, SubscribeStar marketed itself as a place of freedom of speech / anti-censorship.

So it wasn't 'founded' for the reasons I said, but the timing sure helped it grow. Anybody else that'd get banned from Patreon would have the opportunity to migrate to Substar.

Edit: from user LambsLewds over on Reddit:

They are only banning the illegal stuff. Fictional/simulated incest just became illegal in the UK. If SubStar doesn't ban it, they can no longer allow UK traffic to their website. Furry x human is a casualty of the "visual bestiality" laws out of Canada.

As we've been saying forever, these people are not banning "bad" porn, they want to make all pornography, women's sexuality, and every other "sin" illegal, and they are starting with the easiest targets. That's how censorship works.

lovestar said:

Edit: from user LambsLewds over on Reddit:

Furry x human is a casualty of the "visual bestiality" laws out of Canada

This person is likely talking about the proposed Bill C-16.
Among other things, the bill sets out to criminalize the "distribution of visual representations of bestiality".

Here's the relevant section:

Representation of bestiality

(3.‍1) Every person commits an offence who knowingly publishes, distributes, transmits, sells, makes available or advertises any visual representation that is or is likely to be mistaken for a photographic, film, video or other visual recording of a person committing bestiality.

In the Canadian Criminal Code, bestiality is defined as "any contact, for a sexual purpose, with an animal."

So I don't think clearly fictional furry x human porn falls under the bill's definition of "visual representation of bestiality", unless I've missed something.
Realistic feral content might, however.

Edit:
Also, to the best of my knowledge, there are currently no laws specifically targeting artistic human x non-human material thanks to a precedent set by works such as Twilight, The Little Mermaid, Bojack Horseman and The Shape of Water.
Just because some loudmouthed jackasses decry the concept doesn't make it illegal, and all the platform bans we've seen so far are the result of payment processors' internal politics.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Please do not take this post as legal advice.

kadachi-kun said:
This person is likely talking about the proposed Bill C-16.

reading into it and checking out the appropriate subsections...seems to be only mean real stuff. (and possibly AI stuff meant to be realistic). typically anything that would include art in the Canadian code would specifically mention stuff like "Artistic representation" or "drawings" or anything similar to that (like it does for artistic representations of underaged stuff, it specifically mentions that...though its technically narrow enough that cub could technically slip through the cracks but I wouldnt want to test that!)

That being a case though kinda makes me surprised this wasnt in the lawbooks already. does that mean the real stuff (ick) was technically legal in a unfilled loophole? O_o

Genuinely feels like we’re heading for an extremely bland and boring world of AI generated images that are corporate approved and “safe”
Anything that’s not a straight white Christian male will be banned at this rate.

sissyfox said:
Genuinely feels like we’re heading for an extremely bland and boring world of AI generated images that are corporate approved and “safe”
Anything that’s not a straight white Christian male will be banned at this rate.

Ding ding ding! Time to push back, we don't have to accept it. If you're American, the Federal Reserve currently wants to hear all about the shit payment processors are doing and it's a rare opportunity to stick it to the shitty companies that strong-arm the sites we use.

"human-like knee orientation"

(????)
I don't care if it's old news but don't tell me they seriously meant digitigrades with this.
Surely, I'm just reading this wrong and they don't publicly state that they think dogs have four freaking knees...

the great goon genocide

If MasterCard continues to hold SubscribeStar hostage, Unifans may be a good alternative to look into. Hopefully, SubscribeStar, pixiv, and others will fight back.

sissyfox said:
Genuinely feels like we’re heading for an extremely bland and boring world of AI generated images that are corporate approved and “safe”
Anything that’s not a straight white Christian male will be banned at this rate.

While I agree that AI is a threat to artists, including many of us here in e6, I must note that race and gender are of no relevance. The main focus is the censorship due to many reasons, including political and nonsensical (i.e. blurring the line between fiction and reality), though many pushing for such censorship have had their hypocrisies exposed.

mklxiv said:
Ding ding ding! Time to push back, we don't have to accept it. If you're American, the Federal Reserve currently wants to hear all about the shit payment processors are doing and it's a rare opportunity to stick it to the shitty companies that strong-arm the sites we use.

For the love of god comment on and spread this. Financial institutions acting as extrajudicial censors is absolutely fucking insane and needs to stop as soon as possible for reasons including, but also much greater than porn.

Honestly, I do not think we can expect governments to save us. And I think bringing widespread attention to ourselves by actively campaigning against furry censorship will only end very badly given the current 'situation' in the west. The recent moral panics have totally succeeded in blaming various minority scapegoats for all of society's ills, passing laws making life hell for them. So far we have survived by being relatively unknown. If (when) they come for us they could nuke our entire community with a single law adding drawn furry NSFW to previous definitions of illegal pornography, and 95% of the population will clap like seals. This is not a bear we want to poke.

On the bright side: There are several decentralized social media sites being built and gaining popularity right now, which if used properly are basically immune to top-down censorship. And on the more extreme end, even the most tyrannical governments still can't reliably censor advanced proxy tools like Tor or anonymous cryptocurrency like Monero. As annoying as typical tech bro fans of those things are, they do give us an 'out'.

listlesssky said:
Honestly, I do not think we can expect governments to save us. And I think bringing widespread attention to ourselves by actively campaigning against furry censorship will only end very badly given the current 'situation' in the west. The recent moral panics have totally succeeded in blaming various minority scapegoats for all of society's ills, passing laws making life hell for them. So far we have survived by being relatively unknown. If (when) they come for us they could nuke our entire community with a single law adding drawn furry NSFW to previous definitions of illegal pornography, and 95% of the population will clap like seals. This is not a bear we want to poke.

It only worked because most people don't know and have never met someone who's in the current scapegoat group (transgender people) so they just believe whatever nonsense they hear about them. I'd argue more people know a furry personally and many furries work in industries the current US administration likes to jerk off (tech sector) so that's another bear for them not to poke. US politicians have tried to scapegoat furries- see the school litterbox hoax and the somewhat recent bitching by a state lawmaker to a college over a furry club- but neither caused widespread moral panic. IMO it's best to at least try to fight back- and if that fails, to disobey. Freedom is fought for, not handed out.

listlesssky said:
On the bright side: There are several decentralized social media sites being built and gaining popularity right now, which if used properly are basically immune to top-down censorship. And on the more extreme end, even the most tyrannical governments still can't reliably censor advanced proxy tools like Tor or anonymous cryptocurrency like Monero. As annoying as typical tech bro fans of those things are, they do give us an 'out'.

This is a good direction to go- being a technical person I understand it, but consider that most artists aren't technical people. Getting them to be technical people would be difficult and a lot of effort for them.

mklxiv said:
It only worked because most people don't know and have never met someone who's in the current scapegoat group (transgender people) so they just believe whatever nonsense they hear about them. I'd argue more people know a furry personally.

As someone who is both: Absolutely not. It's easy to overestimate the number of furries because many of our spaces are somewhat insular, and we tend to be friends with other furries. But trans people are ~1% of the US population, that's 2.3 million people in the US alone (and that's only the ones who were willing to admit it on a survey). Furries are nowhere near that. Around 40% of the population knows a trans person, and many people in my life know I am trans. Absolutely nobody knows I am a furry and their views on it are far less accepting.

To most people, the only things they know about us are from tabloidesque news articles about horrible things a random furry did, or rumors about the "deviant" things furries do. Developers include furries in video games as a 'joke' so that players can laugh while murdering us. There's no perception that furries are a 'minority' worth defending, just a hobby. There are no organizations advocating on our behalf, and no 'open furries' in any major political role. The reason laws like that litter box one got thrown out isn't because people were defending us, it's because the story it was based on was revealed to be a hoax, and because we're seen as a joke unworthy of any legislative effort. The moment that changes we're fucked, so we need to be extremely strategic about how and when to draw attention to ourselves.

mklxiv said:
This is a good direction to go- being a technical person I understand it, but consider that most artists aren't technical people. Getting them to be technical people would be difficult and a lot of effort for them.

The best decentralized platforms won't require technical knowledge. Stoat is basically just discord 2. Bsky is basically just twitter 2. As more platforms target NSFW artists, more of us will be forced to find a new one. Our audiences will (mostly) come with us. If section 230 dies self-hosting will almost certainly become mandatory, but we will make tools to allow non-technical users to do it. Hell, i'd be happy to contribute to such a project myself.

listlesssky said:
As someone who is both: Absolutely not. It's easy to overestimate the number of furries because many of our spaces are somewhat insular, and we tend to be friends with other furries. But trans people are ~1% of the US population, that's 2.3 million people in the US alone (and that's only the ones who were willing to admit it on a survey). Furries are nowhere near that. Around 40% of the population knows a trans person, and many people in my life know I am trans. Absolutely nobody knows I am a furry and their views on it are far less accepting.

To most people, the only things they know about us are from tabloidesque news articles about horrible things a random furry did, or rumors about the "deviant" things furries do. Developers include furries in video games as a 'joke' so that players can laugh while murdering us. There's no perception that furries are a 'minority' worth defending, just a hobby. There are no organizations advocating on our behalf, and no 'open furries' in any major political role. The reason laws like that litter box one got thrown out isn't because people were defending us, it's because the story it was based on was revealed to be a hoax, and because we're seen as a joke unworthy of any legislative effort. The moment that changes we're fucked, so we need to be extremely strategic about how and when to draw attention to ourselves.

The best decentralized platforms won't require technical knowledge. Stoat is basically just discord 2. Bsky is basically just twitter 2. As more platforms target NSFW artists, more of us will be forced to find a new one. Our audiences will (mostly) come with us. If section 230 dies self-hosting will almost certainly become mandatory, but we will make tools to allow non-technical users to do it. Hell, i'd be happy to contribute to such a project myself.

Thanks for at least backing up your claims with sources. I will add though that something being a hoax alone isn't enough to stop legislative efforts (if it were, none of the anti-trans laws would exist, as they're all based on hoaxes and conspiracy theories). I don't know about game developers adding furries to laugh at killing them being widespread, though I'm sure some edgelord has done it. I also want to point out that no organizations representing furries is likely due to lack of widespread persecution and that anti-furry laws are basically non-existent- and as such, they don't really need to exist at the moment. Also, I still think we should stand up for ourselves- why should we let it escalate to that point?

Bsky is censorious and has vague, opaque content policies. This is unacceptable for an open platform for art, it also just mostly pretends to be decentralized- the tech is there, but not the infrastructure. Stoat is too early to tell, but it's hosted in the UK so that's really not good for having an open platform for art. I too would help out building tooling to help artists thrive against censorship, I have the skill to help.

mklxiv said:
Bsky is censorious and has vague, opaque content policies. This is unacceptable for an open platform for art, it also just mostly pretends to be decentralized- the tech is there, but not the infrastructure. Stoat is too early to tell, but it's hosted in the UK so that's really not good for having an open platform for art. I too would help out building tooling to help artists thrive against censorship, I have the skill to help.

The thing about bsky is that all it takes is for someone else to make their own relay, and then bsky's own moderation can simply be ignored or disabled like any other labeler. Users can also migrate all their content to it seamlessly. There have actually been a few projects to do this already (ex. Blacksky), and others are in-development.

Likewise, Stoat being UK-based doesn't actually matter at all since anyone can self-host their server, which Stoat itself has 0 control over.

listlesssky said:
On the bright side: There are several decentralized social media sites being built and gaining popularity right now, which if used properly are basically immune to top-down censorship. And on the more extreme end, even the most tyrannical governments still can't reliably censor advanced proxy tools like Tor or anonymous cryptocurrency like Monero. As annoying as typical tech bro fans of those things are, they do give us an 'out'.

It seems that not all hope is lost. SubscribeStar has revealed their plans to accept alternative payment methods, including certain cryptocurrencies. Hopefully, Monero will be added later.

Regarding decentralized social networks, the Fediverse is something to look into.

Honestly, I think this is where AI is actually useful. As artists leave in search of money individuals will good back to making things they like for sake art and the larger community. You can't stop people from using local generators for what ever they want. As novest artists become more skilled with AI, they'll learn how to draw really amazing works even faster than we can now. New more isolated communities that aren't driven by money will thrive, and the community will grow stronger as it becomes more distributed.

I hate was Patreon and others did to my communities, I don't know, I think this might end up helping. Pull the money out of things and make it more open and free again.

Just my $0.02. I know few will agree, but I do see this possibly giving control back to the general members of the community. Time will tell.

reallyjustwantpr0n said:
Honestly, I think this is where AI is actually useful. As artists leave in search of money individuals will good back to making things they like for sake art and the larger community. You can't stop people from using local generators for what ever they want. As novest artists become more skilled with AI, they'll learn how to draw really amazing works even faster than we can now. New more isolated communities that aren't driven by money will thrive, and the community will grow stronger as it becomes more distributed.

I hate was Patreon and others did to my communities, I don't know, I think this might end up helping. Pull the money out of things and make it more open and free again.

Just my $0.02. I know few will agree, but I do see this possibly giving control back to the general members of the community. Time will tell.

You hope artists leave and the fandom gets completely filled with slop? Your opinion is total ass. Just go play with generators if that's what you want to do.

reallyjustwantpr0n said:
[tl;dr: pro-AI tangent]

What does AI have to do with this topic? The three things that generative AI is best at are stealing art styles and characters, generating slop, and robbing genuine artists of their living. Being an artist is a full-time job for many, including willitfit.

reallyjustwantpr0n said:
Honestly, I think this is where AI is actually useful. As artists leave in search of money individuals will good back to making things they like for sake art and the larger community. You can't stop people from using local generators for what ever they want. As novest artists become more skilled with AI, they'll learn how to draw really amazing works even faster than we can now. New more isolated communities that aren't driven by money will thrive, and the community will grow stronger as it becomes more distributed.

I hate was Patreon and others did to my communities, I don't know, I think this might end up helping. Pull the money out of things and make it more open and free again.

Just my $0.02. I know few will agree, but I do see this possibly giving control back to the general members of the community. Time will tell.

"AI is causing artists fail to feed themselves and possibly their family, further forcing some towards downsizing/foreclosure/homelessness, this is clearly a good thing because I don't value artists"

Fucking. What.

Don't mention the trillions getting burned by ai companies to actively steal artists work, money which could pay hundreds of thousands if not millions of artists the average salary for an entire year, all getting burned in circlejerk financing to make line go up and shove more money into the pockets of billionaires

reallyjustwantpr0n said:
Honestly, I think this is where AI is actually useful. As artists leave in search of money individuals will good back to making things they like for sake art and the larger community. You can't stop people from using local generators for what ever they want. As novest artists become more skilled with AI, they'll learn how to draw really amazing works even faster than we can now. New more isolated communities that aren't driven by money will thrive, and the community will grow stronger as it becomes more distributed.

I hate was Patreon and others did to my communities, I don't know, I think this might end up helping. Pull the money out of things and make it more open and free again.

Just my $0.02. I know few will agree, but I do see this possibly giving control back to the general members of the community. Time will tell.

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reallyjustwantpr0n said:
Honestly, I think this is where AI is actually useful.

No. What if instead of making slop with AI you made your own porn site using a VPN to pretend to be somewhere without extreme laws restricting porn?

rokuenluuka said:
It seems that not all hope is lost. SubscribeStar has revealed their plans to accept alternative payment methods, including certain cryptocurrencies. Hopefully, Monero will be added later.

Regarding decentralized social networks, the Fediverse is something to look into.

That's a good thing. I wish Patreon did the same.