Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
The tag alias #81755 revoked_consent -> withdrawn_consent is pending approval.
Reason: more popular tag
note: revoked_consent tag only had 6 posts, so i already replaced the tags because i thought the wait time for approval would take too long
Updated
The withdrawn_consent tag seems rather messy. A number of posts just look like plain rape or explicitly_stated_nonconsent which don't show consent was ever there to begin with:
post #5984239 post #5796772 post #3229318
Or unwanted_impregnation:
post #5735070
or general unsuredness/questionable_consent:
post #6055273
watsit said:
or general unsuredness/questionable_consent:
post #6055273
The character says "I don't want to do this anymore," which is a pretty clear indication she gave previous consent.
watsit said:
Or unwanted_impregnation:
post #5735070
I'm not sure about this one. The character only objects to impregnation, which implies they did consent to sex, but are revoking it now that their partner is doing a specific thing they never consented to. post #3888115 is an even more explicit example of this, with the impregnated character indicating their partner explicitly said they wouldn't do that. I guess that's already covered by unwanted_impregnation, though?
There are also some posts with more ambiguous dialogue, like post #3508885, where the rapist tells the victim to "Finish what you started," which implies they gave consent. I'm also not sure about post #2709916, as it only features a character indicating pain, but not explicitly withdrawing consent.
Anyway, I find this an interesting tag, so I've made a wiki page and cleaned up a few posts where it didn't apply.
I wonder if safeword_use should also imply this?
beholding said:
The character says "I don't want to do this anymore," which is a pretty clear indication she gave previous consent.
"I'm not sure I want want to do this anymore." She's not sure if she wants to still do it, making their consent questionable if they want to continue or not. If that counts for withdrawn_consent, then any character that gets some last-second jitters after noticing the size of a dong or some other fetish play would count, which itself isn't an uncommon kink (about to have consensual sex, the partner notices something weird/odd and gets cold feet, only to continue and find they like it).
beholding said:
I'm not sure about this one. The character only objects to impregnation, which implies they did consent to sex, but are revoking it now that their partner is doing a specific thing they never consented to.
Would unwanted_impregnation always count as withdrawn_consent if it didn't already start as rape or questionable_consent? Or unwanted_knotting or any other undesired action that spontaneously happens during sex? They never consented to impregnation to withdraw consent, and they're not apparently withdrawing their consent to sex, just doesn't want them cumming inside.
beholding said:
post #3888115 is an even more explicit example of this, with the impregnated character indicating their partner explicitly said they wouldn't do that. I guess that's already covered by unwanted_impregnation, though?
I don't think that should count for unwanted_impregnation. Even considering dialog (which is already sketchy), he only says he can't help but to cum inside, at best making it impregnation_risk. The post description is the only thing saying she got knocked up, which definitely doesn't count for tagging.
beholding said:
There are also some posts with more ambiguous dialogue, like post #3508885, where the rapist tells the victim to "Finish what you started," which implies they gave consent.
Thus the danger of basing tags on the meaning of dialog. For all we now, "what you started" could be looking sexy enough for the guy to force himself on her, and he feels owed a good lay. Considering we do see him raping her, I don't think it's an unreasonable interpretation. Would you still tag this post withdrawn_consent if there was a previous/parent image showing just that?
beholding said:
I'm also not sure about post #2709916, as it only features a character indicating pain, but not explicitly withdrawing consent.
apply.
Thus the danger of basing tags on the meaning of dialog. Some people interpret it as withdrawing consent, some don't. Would wanting to stop temporarily but continue doing it some other way count as withdrawing consent?
beholding said:
I wonder if safeword_use should also imply this?
I don't think it should. There isn't as much of an implication that all consent is revoked. Depending on the scenario it can be anywhere from "let's keep going, but be gentler" to "breaking character to check in" to "nope, done."
watsit said:
"I'm not sure I want want to do this anymore." She's not sure if she wants to still do it, making their consent questionable if they want to continue or not. If that counts for withdrawn_consent, then any character that gets some last-second jitters after noticing the size of a dong or some other fetish play would count, which itself isn't an uncommon kink (about to have consensual sex, the partner notices something weird/odd and gets cold feet, only to continue and find they like it).
I would say that should count, yes. Like you say, it is a known fetish.
Fair enough re: unwanted_impregnation; it's a case of a character violating a specific boundary that was never consented to, rather than withdrawing previously-given consent.
beholding said:
I would say that should count, yes. Like you say, it is a known fetish.
I don't see how it can count. questionable_consent means consent is doubted, it's unknown if consent is still there, so we can't say it's withdrawn if we don't know it's not still there.
watsit said:
I don't see how it can count. questionable_consent means consent is doubted, it's unknown if consent is still there, so we can't say it's withdrawn if we don't know it's not still there.
I feel like expressing uncertainty, especially in this context, would definitely be considered as no longer fully consenting.
watsit said:
I don't see how it can count. questionable_consent means consent is doubted, it's unknown if consent is still there, so we can't say it's withdrawn if we don't know it's not still there.
What alternate term should we use, then? Like you say, this is a known fetish, which means our users need to be able to search for it.
dba_afish said:
I feel like expressing uncertainty, especially in this context, would definitely be considered as no longer fully consenting.
beholding said:
What alternate term should we use, then? Like you say, this is a known fetish, which means our users need to be able to search for it.
A tag for growing uncertainty may be worth having, like growing_uncertainty or becoming_uncertain (those don't sound great to me, but something along those lines). I just don't think becoming uncertain and explicit rejection should be under the same tag, just like how questionable_consent and forced are separate tags.
