Topic: Reapply the cub tag and change the young alias

The bulk update request #13394 is pending approval.

mass update young -> young_(lore)
remove alias cub (0) -> young (289614)

Reason: Young is a visual indication which doesnt necessearly confirm that a character is actually young and not just looking young while ferals, fantasy creatures and such can have age stages that make identifying young characters even harder resulting in mistagging.
Young_lore offers much more clear indication of actual youngness than what our eyes can see.

Due to people seemingly not bothering to actually check the descriptions of tags and the obvious fandom based difference between a character who is young versus a character who is a cub i suggest unaliasing the two.

Flora from Twokinds is young by the common definition but in no way underage and thus people looking at her wouldnt tag her as cub.

Gatomon by lore is not young but were often became target of tagging wrongly because of her looks and even the current description of the young tag would make it approtiate to tag her as young which is incorrect.

Tails is between age 7-10 so every single picture of tails should have the young tag but it does not as they dont feel and seem young. This one would benefit from having the young_lore tag introduced and the cub tag put back as it would make people think if the cub tag is actually useable here and if the character despite its young age does actually need the young_lore or not.

tester29 said:
Young is a visual indication

Which immediately rules out making it into only a lore tag

tester29 said:
which doesnt necessearly confirm that a character is actually young and not just looking young while ferals, fantasy creatures and such can have age stages that make identifying young characters even harder resulting in mistagging.

"age stages" make no difference, the young tag is entirely about visuals, as you've pointed out

tester29 said:
Young_lore offers much more clear indication of actual youngness than what our eyes can see.

The lore tag is used when a canonically young character does not look young, it is quite literally the opposite of the general tag

tester29 said:
Flora from Twokinds is young by the common definition but in no way underage and thus people looking at her wouldnt tag her as cub.

Stop looking at "common definitions" and look at our wiki pages, it doesn't matter what definition you dig up from other sites or dictionaries, what matters is how we've defined and used the tag

tester29 said:
Gatomon by lore is not young but were often became target of tagging wrongly because of her looks and even the current description of the young tag would make it approtiate to tag her as young which is incorrect.

By your own admission the tag is correct
Lore does not matter for general tags, and once more the young tag is purely visuals based, the character's "actual" age does not matter

tester29 said:
Tails is between age 7-10 so every single picture of tails should have the young tag but it does not as they dont feel and seem young. This one would benefit from having the young_lore tag introduced and the cub tag put back as it would make people think if the cub tag is actually useable here and if the character despite its young age does actually need the young_lore or not.

I don't see how mass tagging a character that can absolutely look like or be portrayed as an adult helps anyone

you should read both topic #41659 and topic #42322 for why we will not be revalidating the cub tag

E621 operates on a tag what you see system. The entire point of lore tags is to indicate things which TWYS doesn't cover or might contradict. That's why people tag characters as young so much. It doesn't matter what they actually are, if they appear young, that's how they're tagged.

You can read more here https://e621.net/help/twys

You are greatly misunderstanding the entire purpose of TWYS and Lore tags.

This is never going to happen for the reasons others have stated. If you want to improve the system we currently have, your efforts are better spent responding to topic #56104.