Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
The bulk update request #13254 is pending approval.
remove implication cunnilingus (42086) -> vaginal (479934)
remove implication tribadism (7021) -> vaginal (479934)
Reason: Same reasoning as forum #387446, these don't (necessarily) include any vaginal stimulation. Do we have an umbrella tag for stimulation/masturbation of the vulva?
There should probably be separate tags for oral/manual stimulation of the clitoris.
easygoing-tigershark said:
Do we have an umbrella tag for stimulation/masturbation of the vulva?
eightoflakes said:
There should probably be separate tags for oral/manual stimulation of the clitoris.
I don't understand, why would the term vaginal (specifically pertaining to the vagina) be applicable for stimulation to the labia or clitoris? It's entirely possible to participate in tribadism without any vaginal stimulation.
easygoing-tigershark said:
I don't understand, why would the term vaginal (specifically pertaining to the vagina) be applicable for stimulation to the labia or clitoris? It's entirely possible to participate in tribadism without any vaginal stimulation.
"Vaginal" in this context is a shorthand for the entire female sex organ. If you know a better word feel free to suggest it as an alias or something.
eightoflakes said:
"Vaginal" in this context is a shorthand for the entire female sex organ. If you know a better word feel free to suggest it as an alias or something.
Vulval? Then again, that idea was shot down two years ago because "Those tags [vaginal_*] refer to the vaginal canal." So I'm getting a bit of a mixed message.
easygoing-tigershark said:
Vulval? Then again, that idea was shot down two years ago because "Those tags [vaginal_*] refer to the vaginal canal." So I'm getting a bit of a mixed message.
Is "vulval" even a word? My spellchecker doesn't seem to think so. In either case, at least for cunnilingus there's also the problem that it can be referring to stimulation of the vulva, clitoris, or vaginal canal, or some combination of the three, or an image can be ambiguous about which is being stimulated while something clearly is. So "vaginal" works as a catch-all for those bits, similar to how "anal" can be used for stimulation of the inside of the butt cheeks, the sphincter, and/or the prostate.
watsit said:
Is "vulval" even a word? My spellchecker doesn't seem to think so. In either case, at least for cunnilingus there's also the problem that it can be referring to stimulation of the vulva, clitoris, or vaginal canal, or some combination of the three, or an image can be ambiguous about which is being stimulated while something clearly is. So "vaginal" works as a catch-all for those bits, similar to how "anal" can be used for stimulation of the inside of the butt cheeks, the sphincter, and/or the prostate.
Yes, vulval is a word. Regarding a catch-all term, the vulva includes the vaginal opening and the clitoris, so it functions as a catch-all just as well. Any case where something enters the vagina would be tagged vaginal_penetration.
As for the anus analogy, I'm not sure it holds up. The latter two are (almost always) dependent on anal penetration and I disagree that the former should be tagged as anal if it does not touch the anus (is this a common use of the tag?). Vulval stimulation is not at all dependent on vaginal activity (as the forum post I originally linked reaffirms). Aliasing makes even more sense when you consider that vagina is already aliased to vulva because of the same mistake (thinking vulva = vagina).
Updated
Since this BUR would imply way more changes to come anyways, heres a draft BUR to make the tags more fitting (done on my phone in 10 minutes, probably needs work):
unalias pussy_play -> vaginal
unalias vaginal_intercourse -> vaginal
unalias vaginal_stimulation -> vaginal
unimply forced_vaginal -> vaginal
unimply unbirthing -> vaginal
unimply vaginal_beakjob -> vaginal
unimply vaginal_fingering -> vaginal
unimply vaginal_footjob -> vaginal
unimply vaginal_masturbation -> vaginal
unimply vaginal_penetration -> vaginal
update vaginal -> vulval
update vaginal_masturbation -> vulval_masturbation
alias pussy_play -> vulval
alias vaginal_intercourse -> vaginal_penetration
alias vaginal_stimulation -> vulval
imply unbirthing -> vaginal_penetration
imply vaginal_beakjob -> vaginal_penetration
imply vaginal_fingering -> vaginal_penetration
imply vaginal_footjob -> vaginal_penetration
imply vaginal_masturbation -> vaginal_penetration
imply vaginal_masturbation -> vulval_masturbation
imply vaginal_penetration -> vulval
imply cunnilingus -> vulval
imply tribadism -> vulval
imply clitoral -> vulval
imply rubbing_vulva -> vulval
Hopefully this is more agreeable than the original BUR, which only does part of the work and leaves things inconsistent.
