Topic: [REJECTED] Splitting ancient art BUR

The bulk update request #13216 has been rejected.

Reason: Based on topic #61874 a while back and I wonder if the last suggestion is sufficient for the BUR, which goes like this:

• ancient age: <501
• middle age: 501 - 1500
• early modern age: 1501 - 1900
• modern age: 1901 - 1975/1965 1979

If it goes through then the following one would be:

imply before_common_era -> ancient_age
imply 1st_century -> ancient_age
…
imply 5th_century -> ancient_age

imply 6th_century -> middle_age
…
imply 15th_century -> middle_age

imply 16th_century -> early_modern_age
…
imply 19th_century -> early_modern_age

While for "(early) modern" we have to imply individual years because they're overlapping. If you don't think it's good enough, please suggest it here

edit 1:

• change “art” to “age”
• add before common era (anything before 1 CE/AD) as well
• modern age starts in the 20th century, so no overlapping (since the 80s & 90s hasn’t been implied yet, so let’s just use the century)

edit 2:

• maybe this would work so the 80s, 90s, and 2000 can be part of the 20th century

EDIT: The bulk update request #13216 (forum #480146) has been rejected by @whatismyname1234.

A few 19th_century posts don't have a more precise dating than the 19th century as a whole and could be left outside of the new tags. They could be tagged by "vibes" but I think they're one of the reasons why an umbrella tag can be handy to have.

I voted :| because even though I think it would be good to split it up, the split(s) should happen on a century basis (except for 20th_century- which annoyingly already says it shouldn't be applied to 80s/90s art) and there should still be an umbrella tag.

wanni said:
A few 19th_century posts don't have a more precise dating than the 19th century as a whole and could be left outside of the new tags. They could be tagged by "vibes" but I think they're one of the reasons why an umbrella tag can be handy to have.

Alright then, I can see that problem arises. But how should we fix it? Should "early modern art" ends in 1800 (end of the 18th century) or 1900 (end of the 19th century)? I think the former would fit because it's closely tied with the industrial revolution of the time. But then again, it would make sense to use 1900s as the starting point for what most people think of as "modern art" as in modern modern art

regsmutt said:
I voted :| because even though I think it would be good to split it up, the split(s) should happen on a century basis (except for 20th_century- which annoyingly already says it shouldn't be applied to 80s/90s art) and there should still be an umbrella tag.

I imagine that was done to distinguish "pre-fandom" art from later art, the mid-70s, which as I've said in the other thread, I don't think warrants separation. The late 1800s/early 1900s or whenever mass marketing and commercialization really took off is the last significant period I think we need to distinguish as the most recent major shift in art production, as far as ancient/middle/pre-modern/modern goes. I honestly don't see a need to not tag 20th_century for art made in the 80s and 90s, after all it's been... 26 years since the 20th century ended...
post #3384136
... and there are people here that were born almost a decade after it ended.

whatismyname1234 said:
The bulk update request #13216 has been rejected.

remove implication before_common_era (19) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 1st_century (0) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 2nd_century (1) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 3rd_century (1) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 4th_century (0) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 5th_century (0) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 6th_century (0) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 7th_century (1) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 8th_century (7) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 9th_century (2) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 10th_century (4) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 11th_century (7) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 12th_century (10) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 13th_century (5) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 14th_century (20) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 15th_century (39) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 16th_century (106) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 17th_century (95) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 18th_century (157) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 19th_century (767) -> ancient_art (3068)
remove implication 20th_century (1486) -> ancient_art (3068)

Reason: Based on topic #61874 a while back and I wonder if the last suggestion is sufficient for the BUR, which goes like this:
If it goes through then the following one would be:

imply 6th_century -> middle_art
imply 7th_century -> middle_art
imply 8th_century -> middle_art
...
imply 15th_century -> middle_art
imply 16th_century -> early_modern_art
imply 17th_century -> early_modern_art
imply 18th_century -> early_modern_art

While for "(early) modern" we have to imply individual years because they're overlapping. If you don't think it's good enough, please suggest it here

not too keen on the terms you selected here, particularly the 'middle art' idea, its ambiguous while the intended propose still ends up causing it to being eurocentric, the time covered by a 'middle' age is different depending on the region of the world your talking about.

These also should end in "age" or "era" rather then "art" because we are specifying a period/time of history rather than a style of art.

ryu_deacon said:
not too keen on the terms you selected here, particularly the 'middle art' idea, its ambiguous while the intended propose still ends up causing it to being eurocentric, the time covered by a 'middle' age is different depending on the region of the world your talking about.

That’s the best I could come up in the original thread, “middle” age is anything but non eurocentric, it’s anywhere from the fall of the roman empire to the fall of another roman empire. “post classical” is considered world history’s middle age though it can be a little confusing as the thread mentioned

These also should end in "age" or "era" rather then "art" because we are specifying a period/time of history rather than a style of art.

Yeah that’s much better, I’ll change the BUR

regsmutt said:
...(except for 20th_century- which annoyingly already says it shouldn't be applied to 80s/90s art) and there should still be an umbrella tag.

I wouldn't be opposed to changing that. In my opinion, the current cut off was basically for simplicity's sake — 1 implication versus 100. However, rather than implying 20th century to any art period, we should instead only imply the appropriate years (1901-2000) directly.

Therefore, based on Whatismyname1234's BUR above, we swap

imply 20th_century -> modern_age

with

imply 1901 -> modern_age
...
imply 1979 -> modern_age

in addition to

imply 1980 -> 20th_century
...
imply 2000 -> 20th_century

ryu_deacon said:
not too keen on the terms you selected here, particularly the 'middle art' idea, its ambiguous while the intended propose still ends up causing it to being eurocentric, the time covered by a 'middle' age is different depending on the region of the world your talking about.

Perhaps we can call it something like Classical Age? Granted, this is usually associated with Classical Antiquity (ancient Greek and Roman art).

Pre-modern Age? Just lump it in as Ancient Age with the stuff from Antiquity? Call it Post-Ancient Age?

Then again, "middle" does make sense as it's in the middle between "ancient" and "modern".

These also should end in "age" or "era" rather then "art" because we are specifying a period/time of history rather than a style of art.

Personally, I like "period" — Ancient Period, Middle Period, Early Modern Period, and Modern Period — as it sounds more art historic to me.

The bulk update request #13216 (forum #480146) has been rejected by @whatismyname1234.

I recently make a new one, hope it'll go through this time topic #63007