I already start to think that, with the existence of Rule34 and E621, it allows us to understand that if the artist is no longer active, then Rule34 and E621 is a best option to become a equivalent of Alexandria. I start thinking this because i saw something very important when it comes to preserving art. I recently made a "Am i too Paranoid" post because i can't stop thinking about the future of Online Arts, what's the future is looks like, is the artist gonna destroy or NUKED their own work, or other things.
Topic: Why Rule34 and E621 is important?
Posted under General
It's up to them if they want to nuke their own work. Laws might change in their country and their content can become illegal. If their username ever gets linked to their identity, having that artwork on any site is a serious risk for them.
If you're concerted about specific content, save it yourself. If you can't get over your FOMO, learn to code and become a data hoarder. Still concerned? Get a job at the Internet Archive.
Keep in mind in 10 years no one will care about artwork they've never seen from artist IveDrawMuch. There's always new content and new content tends to be better than older content (how many silent movies have you watched?) Far more content is lost over time than is kept. Have you looked at your Granddad's photos more than once? Probably not and they'll all be trashed by your kids when you die. If the content matters to someone they'll save it. If it doesn't then it doesn't matter that they don't have it.
E621's biggest importance is that it's organized so it's easy to find what you're looking for.
mrox said:
Keep in mind in 10 years no one will care about artwork they've never seen from artist IveDrawMuch. There's always new content and new content tends to be better than older content (how many silent movies have you watched?) Far more content is lost over time than is kept. Have you looked at your Granddad's photos more than once? Probably not and they'll all be trashed by your kids when you die. If the content matters to someone they'll save it. If it doesn't then it doesn't matter that they don't have it.
I think it's worth pointing out that as the world becomes more and more interconnected, old content's relevancy will only increase. Among the billions of people there are (with an increasing proportion of tech literate folks), your trash can trivially become anothers treasure. I certainly can attest to enjoying certain themes which are woefully rare on sites like e6; even just a combination of 5 tags can narrow down millions of images to a few dozen.
Maybe grandpa's old images really aren't worth saving, but only hindsight is 20/20.
mrox said:
Keep in mind in 10 years no one will care about artwork they've never seen from artist IveDrawMuch.
Speak for yourself, quite a few of the artists I like have content from a decade ago or older that I quite like
slyus date:<2016-02-24
syynx date:<2016-02-24
jailbird date:<2016-02-24
re-sublimity-kun date:<2016-02-24
sigma_x date:<2016-02-24
thanshuhai date:<2016-02-24
seth-iova date:<2016-02-24
flynx-flink date:<2016-02-24
demicoeur date:<2016-02-24
truegrave9 date:<2016-02-24
tokifuji date:<2016-02-24
harlem date:<2016-02-24
tsaiwolf date:<2016-02-24
twinkle-sez date:<2016-02-24
lockworkorange date:<2016-02-24
And I'm sure I could list dozens more
mrox said:
in 10 years no one will care
Not quite 10 years, but my white whale is a Braixen artist who posted to Pixiv for a few months in 2017 before deleting it all.
All I have left are thumbnails...
mrox said:
It's up to them if they want to nuke their own work. Laws might change in their country and their content can become illegal. If their username ever gets linked to their identity, having that artwork on any site is a serious risk for them.If you're concerted about specific content, save it yourself. If you can't get over your FOMO, learn to code and become a data hoarder. Still concerned? Get a job at the Internet Archive.
This one no doubt I can second.
mrox said:
Keep in mind in 10 years no one will care about artwork they've never seen from artist IveDrawMuch. There's always new content and new content tends to be better than older content (how many silent movies have you watched?) Far more content is lost over time than is kept. Have you looked at your Granddad's photos more than once? Probably not and they'll all be trashed by your kids when you die. If the content matters to someone they'll save it. If it doesn't then it doesn't matter that they don't have it.E621's biggest importance is that it's organized so it's easy to find what you're looking for.
Now, this. This is one of the recently trending hopeless response, "doomer" as the current generation calls it. I wonder what brought you upon this conclusion, more so in an art archive.
To rebut, what people create at this moment is partly inspired by what others have created too in the past. Fra Angelico inspired El Greco, Duchamp inspired Dali, Kubrick inspired Spielberg (maybe?), western animation's Fleischer and Disney inspired Tezuka, Seuss' Cat in The Hat and de Saint-Exupery's The Little Prince inspired Davis' Garfield and Dami's Geronimo Stilton (maybe?), the Egyptian civilization inspired that Bass Pro shop in Tennessee and the Art Deco movement(maybe?), and these are just a few of the many examples out there I can think of.
See, the cycle of creativity and inspiration has been around for so long that humanity has existed and this is in unsung gratitude to the preservation of these works! They existed, and inspired, and, for those that continue to exist today, they continue to inspire so.
And, to end, what we enjoy now in the present will soon become the thing of past. As you said, without remembrance, without appreciation, and by default, it will come to pass, to dust and bones and nothing else. But that's not the world many want to live on and the earth refuses to die. That is why people write, paint, draw, compose, create - to express in a medium that will hopefully outlast that common weakness - the brevity of life, the shortness of our organic existence.
And, soon, this will be the past which will inspire the future - what they will look back on and carry with them as they march on ever forward to the unknown - to victory or nought.
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mrox said:
It's up to them if they want to nuke their own work. Laws might change in their country and their content can become illegal. If their username ever gets linked to their identity, having that artwork on any site is a serious risk for them.
Bro, we living in the most INTERCONNECTED World thanks to the internet, and because of the existence of the internet, it allows us to preserve the content/data as best as humanly possible we can, think of StopKillingGames. and when it comes to person who has been exposed of their identity i get it, the artist tries to protect themself in order to prevent getting doxxed or hacked, but i have to disagree of what you point on about country they living. Like i said, we living in the most INTERCONNECTED World so everyone from different countries can preserve of what we have or what we saw. The conclusion is, We are NOT alone.
mrox said:
If you're concerted about specific content, save it yourself. If you can't get over your FOMO, learn to code and become a data hoarder. Still concerned? Get a job at the Internet Archive.
Yea i tried, i began to understand the command-based gallery-dl, Hydrus Downloader and other things.
mrox said:
Keep in mind in 10 years no one will care about artwork they've never seen from artist IveDrawMuch. There's always new content and new content tends to be better than older content (how many silent movies have you watched?) Far more content is lost over time than is kept. Have you looked at your Granddad's photos more than once? Probably not and they'll all be trashed by your kids when you die. If the content matters to someone they'll save it. If it doesn't then it doesn't matter that they don't have it.E621's biggest importance is that it's organized so it's easy to find what you're looking for.
Don't be so Pessimistic, you don't know what's gonna happened 20 years later, and did you know that if we become stagnant everyday, we cannot achieve the future, and that's the reason why being Doomer/Pessimistic can degrade us to the core, it make us stagnant to DEATH. We as a human, desires for changes, just look at the younger people Gen-Z, we thought that in the future we will always use the new stuff and abandoned the old stuff but that's doesn't matter, so many people are still remained love with the old stuff because they have a good values. I even still look at the older artworks and it's still looks good. I even buy a PS2 and PS3 Console game and it's still fun to play.
I hate to say it but, do you have a Existensial Crisis to you?
Here's the simple-but-meaningful quote...
Luffy from One Piece, "If you don't take risks, you can't create a future!"
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Praise the permanent booru and the work they do. It always makes me incredibly sad when I see an artist's work vanish even if it's content I'm not interested in personally. All art is a cultural artifact, no matter how "trash"; it should be preserved.
i love and follow this philosophy though at the same time e6 has restrictions and prone to deleting low-res, low-standard, made by underage artist, or poorly-shot traditional drawings. so fundamentally it's not the most reliable archival site as being curated imageboard and we cannot preserve something like a 100x90 drawing made by a teen on vcl in 2001 at this state of the site
in case any drawing is gone, at least the motherboard tbib.org hosts there too
mrox said:
Keep in mind in 10 years no one will care about artwork they've never seen from artist IveDrawMuch.
jokes on you if no ones cares i am no longer alive, if 1990s vintage furry art that is uploaded in 2007 has 1 fan, that one is me