Topic: [REJECTED] Tag alias: feral_lingerie -> lingerie_on_feral

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

TheGreatWolfgang

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discardothediscarded said:
The tag alias #81582 feral_lingerie -> lingerie_on_feral has been rejected.

Reason: same thing in different order

It's not supposed to be the same thing, I think? See topic #46842, but I'm not sure what was the actual plan over there for the tags.

IMO, the implication of furgonomics on feral_lingerie (the apparent desired tag) complicates things as not all lingerie are designed specifically for furries, it could simply be a normal human lingerie worn on a feral (e.g., post #3741059).

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regsmutt

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Hm, this is a super fun tag in theory. Might need to be renamed so it's more obvious what it is. It's currently very under-tagged and a decent number are mistags or dubious uses of it (are just legwarmers or socks really furgonomic?).

furrypickle

Admin

The bulk update request #13263 is pending approval.

create alias feral_lingerie (25) -> furgonomic_lingerie (0) # has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur

Reason: A much clearer tag name for its purpose.

So basically:

unimply feral_lingerie -> furgonomics
unimply feral_lingerie -> lingerie

then

alias feral_lingerie -> furgonomic_lingerie
imply furgonomic_lingerie -> lingerie
imply furgonomic_lingerie -> furgonomics

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TheGreatWolfgang

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furrypickle said:
So basically:

unimply feral_lingerie -> fergonomics
unimply feral_lingerie -> lingerie

then

alias feral_lingerie -> fergonomic_lingerie
imply fergonomic_lingerie -> lingerie
imply fergonomic_lingerie -> fergonomics

Yes, assuming you spelt it correctly as furgonomics.

Kyiiel

Member

furrypickle said:
The bulk update request #13263 is pending approval.

create alias feral_lingerie (25) -> furgonomic_lingerie (0) # has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur

Reason: A much clearer tag name for its purpose.

So basically:

unimply feral_lingerie -> furgonomics
unimply feral_lingerie -> lingerie

then

alias feral_lingerie -> furgonomic_lingerie
imply furgonomic_lingerie -> lingerie
imply furgonomic_lingerie -> furgonomics

Furgonomic does not mean the item is on a feral.

This alias the OP made should have been reversed (lingerie_on_feral -> feral_lingerie). We should be tagging the type of clothing, not what body type the clothing is on. Additionally it looks like it we just forgot to do this after accepting https://e621.net/bulk_update_requests/9562

Also as I stated in topic #46842, this would make it consistent with feral_armor.

The specific edge case that was brought up would just be tagged feral and lingerie, not feral_lingerie, as it is not furgonomic to the feral body type.

post #3741059

Edit: I've updated the wiki for both feral_lingerie and feral_armor to indicate that these are used to tag the clothing that is designed for the feral body type.

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Kyiiel

Member

regsmutt said:
I think you might be confused? This would make it so that human lingerie on ferals is tagged with a tag that implies the lingerie is designed for a feral.

I stated that those should be tagged feral and lingerie, not feral_lingerie. You would have to manually edit like... maybe 5 posts.

The amount of mistags caused by the alias would be insignificant.

Also, the BUR by furrypickle would have the same issue. Human lingerie is by definition not furgonomic. (Pickle wants to alias lingerie_on_feral -> feral_lingerie -> furgonomic_lingerie)

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regsmutt

Member

kyiiel said:
I stated that those should be tagged feral and lingerie, not feral_lingerie. You would have to manually edit like... maybe 5 posts.

The amount of mistags caused by the alias would be insignificant.

Also, the BUR by furrypickle would have the same issue. Human lingerie is by definition not furgonomic. (Pickle wants to alias lingerie_on_feral -> feral_lingerie -> furgonomic_lingerie)

I am not seeing that last part in the BUR. Lingerie_on_feral is not mentioned at all in the BUR.

Kyiiel

Member

regsmutt said:
I am not seeing that last part in the BUR. Lingerie_on_feral is not mentioned at all in the BUR.

You're right, it's not mentioned in the bur. That was discussed in https://e621.net/forum_topics/46842. I was typing very hastily and said pickle wanted to do that, but that's not the case.

What happens is that if pickle's bur is accepted this leaves no valid target for the lingerie_on_feral alias discussed in that topic. lingerie_on_feral was been determined to be technically invalid, yet it makes up 10% of all clothed ferals on the site. It needs a valid replacement, and feral_lingerie was supposed to be that replacement.

It's supposed to be aliased to feral_lingerie, and it should be, as I doubt we're going to alias it to invalid_tag. It would be aliased to the closest matching tag feral_lingerie (or worst case furgonomic_lingerie). This would then create the same problem you described anyway.

Kyiiel

Member

Can someone explain what we're actually going to do with lingerie_on_feral then? Is it just no longer considered invalid anymore? Are we getting rid of it entirely?

It's such a good tag, it just needed a proper name. Guess it won't get one?

Watsit

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kyiiel said:
Can someone explain what we're actually going to do with lingerie_on_feral then? Is it just no longer considered invalid anymore? Are we getting rid of it entirely?

It wasn't invalid, was it? I see no reason to get rid of it, it's for ferals wearing lingerie (furgonomic or not), which can otherwise be difficult to find (feral lingerie as separate tags can give plenty of results where a human/anthro is wearing lingerie while the feral isn't).

TheGreatWolfgang

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kyiiel said:
The bulk update request #13276 is pending approval.

create alias lingerie_on_feral (1139) -> feral_lingerie (25)

These two are different concepts. Lingerie_on_feral is essentially feral wearing any lingerie while feral_lingerie seems to be the same but with furgonomics in mind instead.
The former tag is also much more established niche kink tag than the latter tag, so the idea that it "should be tagged feral and lingerie" instead is not sound here.

IMO, not all lingerie_in_feral are furgonomics (and thus feral_lingerie). You need to specifically see lingerie designed for ferals in mind, not some regular-old human panties placed on a dog.

If the issue is with lingerie_in_feral being deemed invalid, then the suggestion should be to invalidate it.