Topic: [REJECTED] Skulldog Disambig BUR

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Moonlit-Comet

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The bulk update request #12165 has been rejected.

create alias skulldog (0) -> skulldog_(disambiguation) (0)
change category skulldog_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid

Reason: The wiki of skulldog was edited two years ago by furrypickle to be stated as ambiguous, but was never fully disambiguated.

Ambiguous tag. Please use:

EDIT: The bulk update request #12165 (forum #466306) has been rejected by @Moonlit-Comet.

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Watsit

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"Skulldog" as a species also seems dubious. According to the wiki, it's just a canine with a canine skull for a head/face, which seems unnecessarily species-specific (in addition to being called a "dog" for something that can apply to canids more broadly, which can add to the domestic_dog vs canine misuse from the dog alias). Should there also be a skullcat, and a skulldeer, and a skullfox, and a skulldragon, and a ...?

DemonTheDarkHound

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watsit said:
"Skulldog" as a species also seems dubious. According to the wiki, it's just a canine with a canine skull for a head/face, which seems unnecessarily species-specific (in addition to being called a "dog" for something that can apply to canids more broadly, which can add to the domestic_dog vs canine misuse from the dog alias). Should there also be a skullcat, and a skulldeer, and a skullfox, and a skulldragon, and a ...?

As far as I know "skulldog" has established itself as the name given to the species of SCP-1471-A and similar characters (not always linked to the SCP Foundation).

Raygen

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demonthedarkhound said:

watsit said:
"Skulldog" as a species also seems dubious. According to the wiki, it's just a canine with a canine skull for a head/face, which seems unnecessarily species-specific (in addition to being called a "dog" for something that can apply to canids more broadly, which can add to the domestic_dog vs canine misuse from the dog alias). Should there also be a skullcat, and a skulldeer, and a skullfox, and a skulldragon, and a ...?

As far as I know "skulldog" has established itself as the name given to the species of SCP-1471-A and similar characters (not always linked to the SCP Foundation).

Citing the wiki for skulldog_(spieces):

Skulldogs are a spirit canid species created by the artist Skulldog in 2010. While they otherwise resemble typical canines, they are distinguished by their skull head.

and

See also:
MalO, a variant of this species created by author LurkD for the SCP Foundation character SCP-1471-A.

So, skull dogs seem to be a species, and SCP-1471-A to be another.
There are 2.3k posts with skulldog_(species), so I would leave it a specie. They can't all just be generic wolfs/dogs with a skull_face. And they're indeed not all MalO.

Right now 'skulldog' is aliased to 'skulldog_(disambiguation)' which is itself aliased to 'skulldog' (it's a loop going nowhere).
I'd suggest to:
- Make a skulldog_(disambiguation) with: 'MalO', 'skulldog_(species)', and 'skulldog_(artist)'
- Implicate 'skull_face' and 'canid' for both 'MalO'and 'skulldog_(species)'
- Alias 'skulldog' to 'skulldog_(disambiguation)'
- There's also the tag 'skull_dog', with a space in the middle, to be aliased to 'skulldog_(disambiguation)'

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DemonTheDarkHound

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raygen said:
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So, skull dogs seem to be a species, and SCP-1471 to be another.
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No.
SCP-1471-A is a character, Mal0 (or malo ) and skulldog_(species) are used to tag their species. The former is taken from MalO ver1.0.0, also know as SCP-1471 (without the A), the program that accompanies SCP-1471-A and people just used that for the species.

Skulldog as a name for the species is newer, but has become quite popular over time. It's also arguably the better term than Mal0, because as mentioned above "MAL0" is a different entity - the program and skulldog_(species) can also be used for characters that are obviously the same species, but have nothing to do with SCP stuff.

Raygen

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demonthedarkhound said:
No.
SCP-1471-A is a character, Mal0 (or malo ) and skulldog_(species) are used to tag their species. The former is taken from MalO ver1.0.0, also know as SCP-1471 (without the A), the program that accompanies SCP-1471-A and people just used that for the species.

Skulldog as a name for the species is newer, but has become quite popular over time. It's also arguably the better term than Mal0, because as mentioned above "MAL0" is a different entity - the program and skulldog_(species) can also be used for characters that are obviously the same species, but have nothing to do with SCP stuff.

There's a bit of confusion yeah.
The e621 wiki says: "Circa 2013, LurkD found and was inspired by “Don't open the door...” to write an SCP entry around it; from this they produced SCP-1471 — MalO ver1.0.0, coining the name MalO for SCP-1471-A."
But I think that's wrong.

From the SCP foundation article:
- MalO is the app (SCP-1471 non A).
- So, the various version of MalO (v1, v0.9, v1.1, v2, etc..) it's still just an app.
- SCP-1471-A is the actual skulldog.
- But, the app can spawn various skulldogs, a personal skulldog for every subject exposed to the app. So, in reality, SCP-1471-A looks more like a specie to me (like it's already tagged then) and not a character.
- The individuals specific skulldogs are characters (like Capone, Cassandra, etc..)

We good on this?

The skulldog_(species) then, if not a separate specie, could be a more general (father) specie from which it derives the sub (child) specie 'MalO'.

DemonTheDarkHound

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raygen said:
There's a bit of confusion yeah.

Quite the understatement. The Malo-tags are a mess that is going on for several years at this point.

- So, the various versions of MalO (v1, v0.9, v1.1, v2, etc..) it's still just an app.

Except for V1 these versions are fan-made. Their canonicity is therefore questionable.

- SCP-1471-A is the actual skulldog.
- But, the app can spawn various skulldogs, a personal skulldog for every subject exposed to the app.

I have no idea where you have taken this lore from. SCP-1471 and SCP-1471-A are singular entities. As far as we know there is just one SCP-1471-A. (Thus the species of it never got an official name and fans just created own instead.)

Because I forgot it above: Implications to skull_face and canid won't work.
If the character has their back turned to the viewer we can't see a skull_face, also I've seen artist draw it as a skull_mask instead.
Canid fails due to us here on e6 avoiding implications from fictional to real species. Manually adding canid when it fits is okay, we do it the same way for renamon.

Raygen

Member

demonthedarkhound said:
Quite the understatement. The Malo-tags are a mess that is going on for several years at this point.

oh,
dang.

demonthedarkhound said:
I have no idea where you have taken this lore from. SCP-1471 and SCP-1471-A are singular entities. As far as we know there is just one SCP-1471-A. (Thus the species of it never got an official name and fans just created own instead.)

From here 'w' https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/capone
Capone and Cassandra look like to be two bifferent "instances" of SCP-1471-A. So that's why SCP-1471-A looks more like a specie to me, and these instances as characters.

demonthedarkhound said:
Because I forgot it above: Implications to skull_face and canid won't work.
If the character has their back turned to the viewer we can't see a skull_face, also I've seen artist draw it as a skull_mask instead.
Canid fails due to us here on e6 avoiding implications from fictional to real species. Manually adding canid when it fits is okay, we do it the same way for renamon.

Ah alright yeah, makes sense

Btw since this thread has been closed, shall we move the discussion here? https://e621.net/forum_topics/62090