Topic: [APPROVED] hugging_penis should not imply hugging_another

The bulk update request #8767 is active.

remove implication hugging_penis (2464) -> hugging_another (10929)

Reason: many posts of exist of characters hugging their own penis: hugging_penis solo -- hugging_another is only to be tagged if there are two characters in the scene

the interface will not allow me to create the implication hugging_penis->hug since hugging_penis->hugging_another already implicates hug, even though i am proposing to delete the implication (I believe this is a bug?) but i would like to create that implication as well.

EDIT: The bulk update request #8767 (forum #410246) has been approved by @spe.

tokwas said:
Reason: many posts of exist of characters hugging their own penis: hugging_penis solo

Should this be changed to hugging_own_penis? I can imagine it being a relevant distinction to some people if the penis being hugged is the character's own or not, and various <verb>_<thing> tags have a corresponding <verb>_own_<thing> to distinguish it.

The bulk update request #8768 is active.

create implication hugging_own_penis (163) -> self_hug (456)
create implication hugging_own_tail (44) -> self_hug (456)
create implication hugging_own_tail (44) -> tail (1838166)

Reason: Separating hugging another character’s penis and hugging one’s own.

Edit: added the same implications for the tail

EDIT: The bulk update request #8768 (forum #410248) has failed: Error: hugging_own_penis already implies penis through another implication (create implication hugging_own_penis -> penis)

EDIT: The bulk update request #8768 (forum #410248) has been approved by @furrypickle. NOTE: removed imply hugging_own_penis to -> penis because another BUR already has hugging_own_penis to -> hugging_penis which then implies -> penis. So it's essentially still the same result, just a little more streamlined.

watsit said:
Should this be changed to hugging_own_penis? I can imagine it being a relevant distinction to some people if the penis being hugged is the character's own or not, and various <verb>_<thing> tags have a corresponding <verb>_own_<thing> to distinguish it.

But that would still imply hugging_penis, no? They're hugging a penis, even if it's their own.

dimoretpinel said:
The bulk update request #8768 is active.

create implication hugging_own_penis (163) -> self_hug (456)
create implication hugging_own_tail (44) -> self_hug (456)
create implication hugging_own_tail (44) -> tail (1838166)

I'm not sure that hugging one's own penis counts as a hug, a hug is pretty explicitly shared between two or more different people, self_hug would be more appropriate if anything.

dirtyderg said:
But that would still imply hugging_penis, no? They're hugging a penis, even if it's their own.

They're sometimes kept separate if it's between doing it to themself vs another. autofellatio (which implies penile_masturbation) doesn't imply fellatio (which implies sex), even though a character is performing fellatio in both cases. Or self_hug which doesn't imply hug, even though a character is hugging something in both.

pankino2002 said:
I'm not sure that hugging one's own penis counts as a hug, a hug is pretty explicitly shared between two or more different people, self_hug would be more appropriate if anything.

BUR has been edited, thank you :)

The bulk update request #9278 is pending approval.

Reason: Might as well have hugging_another's_penis too and have hugging_penis as an umbrella for both. OP's BUR would have to be done first

Also:

imply hugging_penis -> hug
imply hugging_balls -> hug
imply hugging_butt -> hug
imply hugging_breasts -> hug

The bulk update request #9279 is pending approval.

create implication self_hug (456) -> hug (67736)

Reason: I see no reason for self_hug to not imply hug personally. If hugging objects is hugging, why not hugging yourself. But, separate BUR in case this is controversial

Or I guess we could instead name it hugging_self if that sounds more cohesive

Added hugging_balls, hugging_butt, and hugging_breasts since they could all have the same issue

The bulk update request #8767 (forum #410246) has been approved by @spe.

The bulk update request #8768 (forum #410248) has failed: Error: hugging_own_penis already implies penis through another implication (create implication hugging_own_penis -> penis)

The bulk update request #8768 (forum #410248) has been approved by @furrypickle.

wandering_spaniel said:
The bulk update request #9278 is pending approval.

create implication hugging_own_penis (163) -> self_hug (456)
create implication hugging_own_penis (163) -> hugging_penis (2464)
create implication hugging_another's_penis (167) -> hugging_another (10929)
create implication hugging_another's_penis (167) -> hugging_penis (2464)
remove implication hugging_balls (160) -> hugging_another (10929)
create implication hugging_own_balls (0) -> self_hug (456)
create implication hugging_own_balls (0) -> hugging_balls (160)
create implication hugging_another's_balls (2) -> hugging_another (10929)
create implication hugging_another's_balls (2) -> hugging_balls (160)
remove implication hugging_butt (751) -> hugging_another (10929)
create implication hugging_own_butt (0) -> self_hug (456)
create implication hugging_own_butt (0) -> hugging_butt (751)
create implication hugging_another's_butt (0) -> hugging_another (10929)
create implication hugging_another's_butt (0) -> hugging_butt (751)
create implication hugging_breasts (44) -> hug (67736)
create implication hugging_breasts (44) -> breasts (2127535)
create implication hugging_own_breasts (7) -> self_hug (456)
create implication hugging_own_breasts (7) -> hugging_breasts (44)
create implication hugging_another's_breasts (5) -> hugging_another (10929)
create implication hugging_another's_breasts (5) -> hugging_breasts (44)

Reason: Might as well have hugging_another's_penis too and have hugging_penis as an umbrella for both. OP's BUR would have to be done first

Also:

imply hugging_penis -> hug
imply hugging_balls -> hug
imply hugging_butt -> hug
imply hugging_breasts -> hug

I have a few hesitations with small parts of this and the last one:

One small hesitation on this one:
Do we have any examples of someone hugging their own butt? I'd ask if it was anatomically possible but well... furries. But do we have any images that could use this tag? It looks empty. Do we need it?

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On the next one, (implying self_hug to -> hug: I feel like the logistics of hugging yourself (parts of anatomy or just arms wrapped around oneself for comfort/warmth/emotion) can look different from hugging other things/people. It's a little more awkward and an adaption of the concept, but people accept it just fine when it's within that context. Because within context, it's easy to acknowledge the anatomical limitations and angles of doing it towards your own body. It's an adaption of the concept.

But when I look through self_hug and ask myself "is this what I would expect to see when searching just hug?" instead I find a lot of self_hug starts to feel like mistags if it was in hug. Even a character with arms wrapped across their own chest (classic hugging oneself for warmth or comfort) takes a moment and a mental shift to recognise why it's showing up in hug. Even if it is definitely still a self_hug.

So logically I want to say yeah! to implying self_hug to hug. But practically... I am having doubts about it. It might be one of those things that seems closer in theory but ends up less useful in practice.

So I would like to see what people think about that one. Do the results of self_hug fit with hug? Or is it more of a "it depends"/sometimes type situation and so then having it be 100% implied would actually be less helpful for day to day searches?